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John Perkins Minter

Male 1817 - Bef 1898  (80 years)

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  • Name John Perkins Minter 
    Birth 7 Aug 1817  Sandwich, Kent Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Christening 5 Oct 1817  Sandwich, St Mary the Virgin, Kent Find all individuals with events at this location  [1] 
    Gender Male 
    _UID 82B5928B20A24A8FAC3832838C43F07AC11D 
    Death Bef 6 Aug 1898  Camberwell RD Find all individuals with events at this location  [2] 
    Burial 6 Aug 1898  Camberwell Old Cemetery (Southwark) Find all individuals with events at this location  [3] 
    Notes 
    • John was born before his parents were married and was officially John Perkins Minter. His baptismal record says 'base born son of Sarah Minter, Vicarage Lane'. However he used the name John Minter Perkins during his time in the Army - Cliff Minter has found the following information in the records at Kew.

      WO12/66 1838 - 1842 Royal Horse Guards
      1. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from....1 April 1838 to 30 September 1838.
      Troops, Corporals, Drummers, Trumpeters, Troop Corporals Major, Corporals, Privates
      No. 566 Perkins Jno. Minter......183 days.
      2. Nothing regarding John between 1 October 1838 and 30 September 1840.
      3. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from....1 April 1841 to 30 September 1841.
      Privates (354 names listed)
      No. 556 Perkins Jno. Minter from 1 April to 28 July 119 days - 13 days stationed at Town Malling; on command at Maidstone; to Corporal 29 July, attested 6 August.
      4. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from....1 October 1841 to 31 March 1842 (lists 8 troops with Captain to each troop).
      Corporals, Drummers, Trumpeters (13), Troop Corporals Major (9), Corporals (33)
      No. 566 Perkins Jno. Minter from 1 October 1841 to 31 March 1842 141 days; furlo from 1 February to 31 March 41 days. (This leave period was 10 weeks after John's marriage to Caroline Fowle).
      5. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from 1 April 1842 to 30 September 1842.
      Corporals
      No. 566 Perkins Jno. Minter from 1 April 1842 to 30 September 1842 163 days; furlo from 13 to 18 August (6 days) and from 1 to 14 September (14 days).
      6. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from 1 October 1842 to 31 March 1843.
      Corporals
      No. 566 Perkins Jno. Minter from 1 October 1842 to 31 March 1843 177 days; furlo from 20 to 24 October.
      7. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from 1 April 1843 to 30 September 1843.
      Nothing found.
      8. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from 1 October 1843 to 31 March 1844.
      Corporals
      No. 566 Perkins Jno. Minter from 1 October 1843 to 3 January 1844 75 days; furlo.....In confinement 3 January....To Private 4 January.
      Privates
      No. 566 Perkins Jno. Minter from 4 January 1844 to 31 March 1844 days. From Corporal 4 January
      Statement of pay....for absence without leave....
      No. 566 Perkins Jno. Minter Corporal days absent 3 days in confinement 1
      9. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from 1 April 1844 to 30 September 1844.
      Nothing found.
      10. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from 1 October 1844 to 31 March 1845.
      Nothing found.
      11. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from 1 April 1845 to 30 September 1845.
      Nothing found.
      12. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from 1 October 1845 to 31 March 1846.
      Privates
      No. 566 Perkins Jno. Minter from 1 October 1845 to 31 March 1846 182 days.
      13. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from 1 April 1846 to 30 September 1846.
      Not searched.
      14. Account of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards.....for the six months from 1 October 1846 to 31 March 1847.
      Privates
      No. 566 Perkins Jno. M from 1 October to 23 January 54 days. Without leave 24 November to 23 January 61 days. Deserted 23 January.
      A further note 'of the Royal Horse Guards who have deserted...from 1 October 1846 to 31 March 1847':
      Perkins Jno Minter Private No 566. Deserted 24 November 1846. Non Effective 24 January 1847 HP, Bks.
      No entry for John appears in the Accounts of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards from 1 August 1847 to 31 March 1850.
      John was in the Royal Horse Guards, as a trooper, at Hyde Park Barracks, Knightsbridge, London when his son John was born in November 1846.

      John married Caroline Fowle as John Minter Perkins. It's unclear what happened to Caroline (there is no trace of her death under either Minter or Perkins between Q1 1841 and Q1 1851) but by 1851 John had moved to London and was living in Camberwell with Martha Hobday. As John Pirkins Minter, he married Martha in 1859 by which time they had had several children.

      When John and Sarah were baptised on 7 November 1847 and 1 April 1849 John, labourer, and Martha were in Pomroy Street, Peckham, London. At the first of these baptisms John's full name of John Perkins Minter was recorded.

      1851 census: at 29 Stockwell Street, Camberwell, London, John (34, labourer), Martha (29), John (4) and Sarah (2).

      1861 census: at 4 Trafford [?Stafford] Place, Camberwell, London, John (43, labourer), Martha (39, unreadable occupation), John (14, labourer), Sarah (12, scholar), James (9, scholar), Stephen (7, scholar), Elizabeth (4, scholar) and Alberto (1).
      John and Martha had a daughter, Martha Ann, baptised on 2 March 1862. The address appears to be 4 Stafford Place, John's occupation, stoker. Martha Ann died in 1866.
      John and Martha had a son, John Hobday [Hobley in register of baptisms], baptised on 5 August 1866. The address was 4 Stafford Place, John's occupation, labourer. John Hobday died in 1867.

      1871 census: at 4 Manor Terrace, White Post Lane, Camberwell, London, John (54, general labourer 'out of employ'), Martha (49), James (19, packing case maker), Stephen (17, packing case maker), Elizabeth (15) and Albert W (12).

      1881 census: at 7 Manor Grove, Camberwell, London, John (64, carriage cleaner), Martha B (59) and Stephen (27, case maker) plus a lodger Albert Steadman (25, carman).

      1891 census (indexed as WINTER by ancestry.com): at 8 Manor Grove, Camberwell, London, John (74, railway carriage cleaner), Martha (69) and Stephen (37, box maker, wood).

      1901 census (indexed as MENTER by ancestry.com): at 8 Manor Grove, Camberwell, London, Martha (79, widow) and Stephen (47, card board box maker).
    Person ID I71  Goodnestone, Kent
    Last Modified 4 Mar 2016 

    Father John PERKINS 
    Mother Sarah PARMER,   b. 1787   d. Bef 31 Mar 1840 (Age 53 years) 
    Family ID F20  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Caroline Amelia FOWLE 
    Family ID F21  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 8 Sep 2009 

    Family 2 Martha Banks HOBDAY,   b. Abt 1822, Margate, Kent Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 16 May 1901, Camberwell RD Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 79 years) 
    Marriage 5 Dec 1859  Parish Church of St George the Martyr, Southwark, Surrey Find all individuals with events at this location  [4] 
    • Married by banns. John Pirkins Minter of full age, bachelor, labourer of Red Cross Street, father John Minter, builder; Martha Banks Hobday, of full age, spinster of Red Cross Street, father John Hobday, labourer. John signed, Martha marked. Witnesses Wm. Stead and Prudence D Dunn.
    Children 
     1. John Minter,   b. 2 Nov 1846, 13 Montpelier Place, Knightsbridge, Middlesex Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 10 Oct 1891, Camberwell RD Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 44 years)
     2. Sarah Minter,   b. Mar 1849, Camberwell, London Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Yes, date unknown
     3. James Minter,   b. Sep 1851, Camberwell, London Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 20 Dec 1890, Camberwell RD Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 39 years)
     4. Stephen Minter,   b. 10 Mar 1854, Camberwell, London Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Sep 1916, Croydon RD Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 62 years)
     5. Elizabeth Minter,   b. 21 Aug 1856, Camberwell, London Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Yes, date unknown
     6. Alberto William Minter,   b. Sep 1859, Camberwell, London Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1 Mar 1916, Margate, Kent Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 56 years)
     7. Martha Ann Minter,   b. Bef 2 Mar 1862, Camberwell, London Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 9 Sep 1866, Camberwell, London Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 4 years)
     8. Thomas Hobday Minter,   b. 30 May 1866, Camberwell, London Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 18 May 1867, Camberwell, London Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 0 years)
    Family ID F23  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 9 Aug 2011 

  • Event Map
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  • Sources 
    1. [S2] Cliff Minter.

    2. [S3] BMD index, Q3 1898 Camberwell 1d/565. (Reliability: 3).

    3. [S25] https://www.deceasedonline.com, January 2016.

    4. [S9] Marriage certificate (copy) (Reliability: 3).
      Q4 1859 St George Hanover Square 1a/166.


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