Charles Minter

1847 - Yes, date unknown

• Name	Charles Minter
  Birth	1847	Canterbury, Kent   [1]
  Christening	5 Sep 1847	Wesleyan Chapel, Canterbury
  Gender	Male
  _UID	66CE186EF1CD48C18E9D47B803DD91ABC779
  Death	Yes, date unknown
  Notes	There is a small amount of doubt whether the 1868 marriage of Charles Minter and Martha Pearce relates to this Charles Minter. In 1861 Charles was 13 and living with his father William (and his mother and brothers and sisters) in Camberwell Lane, Lambeth. William was described as a cowkeeper (in 1871 the description was farmer, in 1881 dairyman and in 1891 retired dairyman). When Charles married he was living in Lambeth and married in the parish church of St Mary Lambeth, and would have been 18, ie (just) of full age. He gave his father's name as William, occupation dairy man. In 1871 Martha was living in Lilford Street, Lambeth, aged 25, married, with her daughter Elizabeth aged 2. Although Martha was shown as married, Charles wasn't there and despite extensive searches cannot be found anywhere. Martha's daughter Elizabeth was born on 7 September 1868 in the Lambeth Workhouse, Princes Street. This plus the fact that Charles cannot be found in 1871 suggests that the marriage may have been one of convenience, with Charles 'disappearing' very quickly. Post Office Directory, Surrey 1878 has Charles Minter, dairyman, Thicket Grove, Anerly Road, Upper Norwood, London SE. By 1881 Martha, as Martha Spark, aged 36, was living with Frederick Spark and Elizabeth Minter (12) and Oliver and Lilian Spark. There is no trace of Martha and Frederick marrying (Roz Grevett, a great-granddaughter, says they never married). Also in 1881 there was a Charles Minter, aged 34, a dairyman, born Canterbury living in Thicket Grove, Penge with his wife Ellen A., 32, born Wales Bristol (Bristol isn't in Wales!). It's not clear whether Charles was free to marry Ellen in 1879. (It may be significant that when Charles married Ellen Vale in 1879 he was described in the register as 'bachelor'.) There is no trace of either of them in 1891 or 1901, but their daughter Clara has been found in 1891 and 1901 - see her Notes. Roz Grevett adds that Frederick and Martha separated and Frederick is believed then to have married Lucretia. One of the sons of Oliver Spark, John, was a well known thief in England and was known as Ruby Sparks. He had written a book on his life "Burglar To The Nobility" by Ruby Sparks as told to Norman Price.
  Person ID	I332	Canterbury, Kent
  Last Modified	17 Aug 2018

  
  

  Father	William Honeywood Minter,   b. Bef 30 Sep 1821, Butchery Lane, Canterbury, Kent d. 11 Mar 1899, Bowes Park, London (Age 77 years)
  Mother	Mary BARTLETT,   b. Abt 1829, Upper Hardres, Kent d. 11 Jan 1897, Bowes Park, London (Age 68 years)
  Marriage	6 Aug 1845	St Andrews, Canterbury   [1]
  Family ID	F22	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family 1	Martha PEARCE,   b. Abt 1846   d. Yes, date unknown
  Marriage	6 Jul 1868	Parish Church, St Mary, Lambeth   [2]
  	By banns. Charles, bachelor, dairy man of Cold Harbour Lane, father William Minter, dairy man. Martha spinster of Cold Harbour Lane, father Joseph Pearce, lace maker. Both of full age, both signed. Winesses look like Ed. Powell and Ann Wicks.
  Children	1. Elizabeth Minter,   b. 7 Sep 1868, Camberwell, London d. Mar 1955, Gosport RD (Age 86 years)
  Family ID	F265	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	8 Sep 2009

  
  

  Family 2	Ellen A VALE,   b. Abt 1849, Bristol d. Yes, date unknown
  Marriage	12 Oct 1879	Emmanuel Church, Camberwell, London   [3]
  	Married after banns. Charles Minter, 30, bachelor, baker of Emmanuel, father William Minter, carman. Ellen Vale, 23, spinster of Emmanuel, father Richard Vale, piano maker. Both signed full names. Witnesses Alfred Gurr and Mary Ann ----son.
  Children	1. Clara Minter,   b. Sep 1880, Greenwich RD d. Yes, date unknown
  Family ID	F128	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	17 Jul 2014

  
  

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  [S14] BMD index. [S3] Marriage certificate (copy). [S58] London Metropolitan Archives at Ancestry.co.uk, September 2009 and later, Q4 1879 Camberwell 1d/1088. (Reliability: 3).