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John Minter

Male 1843 - Bef 1887  (~ 44 years)


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  • Name John Minter 
    Born Dec 1843  Earl Stonham, Suffolk Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Gender Male 
    _UID CB2392B367EA42FA8A57DA3FEFBB3D10B18F 
    Died Bef 31 Dec 1887  Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Buried 31 Dec 1887  Toowong Cemetery, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    Notes 
    • John was originally John Minter HAILL, one of the children of William & Anna HAILL of Earl Stonham, Suffolk. He appeared with his parents in the 1851 and 1861 censuses (see father's Notes). It's unclear why John's second name was Minter (his mother's maiden name was PAWSEY so it didn't come from there).

      In 1864, as John Minter HAILL, John married Jane Elizabeth HASKELL in London. This marriage cannot have lasted since in 1871 Jane was living (shown as 'married') as a boarder in London and John had become John MINTER and was living in Bolton, Lancashire with Mary BATES as his housekeeper. John and Mary eventually married and went to live in Australia. It's not known whether John and his first wife divorced, or whether Jane died before John remarried, or what became of Jane otherwise.

      Interestingly, it looks as if the original surname on the 1871 census was erased and Minter written instead.

      1871 census: at 12 Lyon Street, Little Bolton, Lancashire, John Minter (head, widower *, 27, house joiner, born Braintree, Essex), Mary BATES (housekeeper, unmarried, 24, formerly barmaid, born Salford, Lancashire), Ellen BATES (daughter, 2, born Bolton, Lancashire) and Annie BATES (1, born Bolton, Lancashire).
      * John wasn't a widower in 1871 - his wife was still alive.

      1881 census: at 81 Eskrick Street, Halliwell, Bolton, Lancashire, (all MINTER) John (head, 37, joiner, born Stoneham, Suffolk), Mary (wife, 34, born Ashton, Lancs), Ellen (12, scholar, born Bolton, Lancs), Annie (11, scholar, born Bolton, Lancs), William (9, scholar, born Bolton, Lancs), Lois (7, scholar, born Bolton, Lancs), Arthur (5, scholar, born Bolton, Lancs) and a 'visitor', Annie HAMPSON (3, born Halliwell, Lancs).

      Although Mary is shown as John's wife in 1881, they didn't marry until Q4 1882. Several of John and Mary's children were baptised on the same day in 1880. They included a Martha Minter but as no other trace of her has been found she isn't included in the list of John's children.

      Gail Gniewosz has found a shipping record showing that John (39), Mary (38) and their children Ellen (15), Annie (14), William (12), Lois (11), Arthur (8), John (1) and Bertha (infant) left Gravesend on 26 August 1884 on the steamer 'Dorunda'. They arrived at Brisbane, Australia on 21 October 1884.
      The Victoria Public Records list of Unassisted Inward Passengers to Victoria 1852 - 1923 includes John (42) and Mary (40) Minter arriving in October 1883 on the 'Sikh'. It's not clear whether this was John and Mary on an exploratory visit.

      John probably died in 1887 but the death certificate would confirm this. The death index record shows parents as William Minter and Hannah Robinson. Ann Doyle's theory for this is:
      "As to how come John HAILL-cum-MINTER's mother's name is recorded as ROBINSON on his Death record. I have a theory:-
      His father's name was certainly William. Maybe in family discussions he would have mentioned that his father's name was "William", so it would be natural for the family to assume he was "William Minter", as it is 'normal' for a son to bear the father's surname.
      His mother's name (recorded as ROBINSON) is a bit more questionable. Certainly her name was Anna / Hannah.
      In trying to find any link between PAWSEY and ROBINSON, I found 2 christenings on an Earl Stonham Parish Index: (at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engdorse/EARL_STONHAM4.html )
      for Samuel and Elizabeth HAILL, children of Samuel HAILL and Sarah ROBINSON both baptised on 20 April, 1800. My theory is: It is possible that Samuel HAILL could be some relation to John Minter HAILL's father, William HAILL. Therefore Sarah ROBINSON may be connected."
    Person ID I1  Earl Stonham
    Last Modified 29 Oct 2015 

    Father William HAILL,   b. Abt 1805, Earl Stonham, Suffolk Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Mother Anna PAWSEY,   b. Abt 1804, Stowupland, Suffolk Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Mar 1867, Bosmere RD Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 63 years) 
    Married 16 Jan 1827  Earl Stonham, Suffolk Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    Family ID F2  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Jane Elizabeth HASKELL,   b. Abt 1824, Chelmsford, Essex Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Married 12 Jun 1864  St Mark Myddleton Square, Islington, London Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    • John Minter Haill, full age, bachelor, carpenter of Baynes (?) Court, father William Haill, carpenter. Jane Elizabeth Haskell, full age, spinster of Baynes (?) Court, father John Haskell, clerk. Both signed names in full. Witnesses John ---- Haskell and Sarah Haskell.
    Last Modified 20 Jan 2011 11:23:00 
    Family ID F4  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Mary BATES,   b. Abt 1847, Salford, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 16 Dec 1903, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 56 years) 
    Married Dec 1882  Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office, Chorlton, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location  [6, 7
    Children 
     1. Ellen Minter,   b. 6 Nov 1868, Bolton, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 21 Dec 1949, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 81 years)
     2. Annie Minter,   b. Jun 1870, Bolton, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 3 Oct 1938, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 68 years)
     3. William Minter,   b. Dec 1871, Bolton, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 9 Nov 1945, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 73 years)
     4. Lois Minter,   b. Sep 1873, Bolton, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 27 Oct 1887, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 14 years)
     5. Arthur Minter,   b. Dec 1875, Bolton, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 27 Jan 1943, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 67 years)
     6. Mary Minter,   b. Jun 1878, Bolton, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Dec 1879, Bolton, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 1 years)
     7. John Henry Minter,   b. Bef 23 Aug 1882, Bolton, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 6 Jun 1944, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 61 years)
     8. Bertha Minter,   b. Dec 1883, Bolton, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
    Last Modified 20 Jan 2011 13:05:00 
    Family ID F1  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBuried - 31 Dec 1887 - Toowong Cemetery, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Link to Google Earth
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  • Sources 
    1. [S2] BMD index, Q4 1843 Bosmere 12/319, as HAIL. (Reliability: 3).

    2. [S8] Queensland BMD index, October 2010, Ref# 1887/B20536. (Reliability: 3).

    3. [S18] https://online.brisbane.qld.gov.au/cemeteries/cemeteries_step3.jsp?mapdisplay=133807, Portion 1, Section 64, Grave no. 19/20. (Reliability: 3).

    4. [S21] Ann Doyle, Brisbane, January 2011.

    5. [S7] London Metropolitan Archive at Ancestry.co.uk, October 2010.

    6. [S2] BMD index, Q4 1882 Chorlton 8c/1159. (Reliability: 3).

    7. [S22] http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk.